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Moving infested levels

I noticed today while playing the a level infested with slimes was moving in a predictable pattern. You could return to the same level multiple times per day and it would always be infested, and would move one level up in the mine each day you rested. On Year 2, Summer 8th the infested level was at 53 On year 2, summer 12th the infested level was at 49 The pattern continued consistently on the levels between.

Looking around, the closest that I was able to find to someone noticing a similar pattern was someone noticing that mushrooms spawned in quantity on a level repeatedly until you slept. I'm curious if the same thing happens with other effects in the mine and if the schedule is the same in everybody's game or if there's at least a random start point for these effects.

The Mushroom thing is really important and I'm stunned that it's mentioned nowhere on the main page! The Youtuber DangerouslyFunny makes a good example for how valuable this knowledge can be; he made 75000g on one day in Fall, Year 1 just by repeatedly hitting the mushroom level with the botanist perk. (Video: "Forest Farm Fall 7") You could also completly avoid hitting an infested level since it doesn't skip multiples of 10, but doesn't affect them either. --Helios713 (talk) 15:40, 8 November 2016 (GMT)

Experienced the infested floor movement myself so I've added that. If someone else can confirm or add the thing about mushrooms, that'd be great too.--Enkidu (talk) 18:39, 8 November 2016 (GMT)

Drop Frequency of Different Levels

I started adding what ores and gems appear where. It would be nice to add more information about what drops are most common where so we can easily look up where to farm what we need.

Level 30 treasure chest

Can't seem to find what the treasure chest drops on level 30 and I can't recall myself. All the others are done though.--Metalax (talk) 11:21, 6 March 2016 (EST)

Minecarts

So far, I've found stashes of coal in minecarts on levels 12, 18, 28, 38; and a dropped satchel of coal on level 52. I believe this is a reliable pattern, but someone should test it to be certain. I'll try and add screenshots to the gallery momentarily.

Skull level

I encountered a level (it was around 16 or 17) where the level had no number, just a skull icon. There were no rocks and I had to just fight monsters until one (eventually) dropped a staircase. When the staircase appeared I got a message saying (something like) "You found a way out". I'm guessing I'm not the only one to have encountered this? Manning (talk) 23:36, 2 May 2016 (EDT)

Ghost encounter at level 57 and 58

I encountered a Ghost at level 57 and at level 58. But the main reason i am bringing this up is because it is written on the wiki page that, you can begin to encounter ghosts at level 61.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/96txg6o7xjp79uo/Ghost%20Encounter.jpg?dl=0 The Ghost Encounter at level 57]

Mine Chests

Once I reached level 30 of the mine, I found no chest. I was upset, dinged the elevator and left. It seems there is no chest on level 30, or at least there's a chance of that happening. ~~Hyoka (talk) 5:14, 1 September 2016 (EST)

80-120 mushroom level

randomly one level spawns between levels 80 and 120 (or maybe it's 81 and 119?) with a large amount of purple/red mushrooms; it moves down one level in the mines per day and doesn't appear on floors ending in 5 and 10 (it doesn't skip them, it means 1 day in every 5 is a day you can't find it)

when it hits 80 it resets to a random level as I understand it

It's a very good source of gold and foraging xp when it's on floors ending in 1 and 6 as you can take the elevator to the floor before them and quickly drop down; then exit the mine and redo it. Pretty much just leaving this info for someone more skilled to add to relevant pages

pic related [1] Pirate34 (talk) 23:59, 19 March 2017

The current section on the Mushroom floor has some inaccuracies; the biggest issues are the claims that a new mushroom floor is chosen at the start of each season and the day after a current floor reaches level 80. This makes it seem as though there is a uniquely defined mushroom floor which is always present (aside from conflicts with elevators or infestations) but this is not the case because it is all an artifact of the RNG seeding. The note at the bottom is correct: there might be zero active mushroom floors or multiple (three or four different mushroom floors is not at all uncommon).

There are no "triggers" involved such as changing seasons or an old mushroom floor "expiring" after reaching level 80. It all boils down to the RNG checks in StardewValley.Locations.MineShaft.chooseLevelType() -- the RNG is seeded via (DaysPlayed + MineLevel + (uniqueID / 2)) and if the level is chosen to have "RainbowLights" then it will be a potential mushroom floor. Since the next day that seed will be duplicated on the previous mine floor (DaysPlayed has increased by 1 and MineLevel has decreased by 1 with the uniqueID unchanged), we get the illusion of the mushroom floor moving up through the mines. And because it is all RNG-based it is entirely possible to have zero or multiple such floors active on any given day.

I'm going to attempt to rewrite that section a bit to clear up these problems. MouseyPounds (talk) 02:49, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

THANK YOU!!!!! Thank you for looking at the code and clearing up the inaccuracies.

If you want to remove the bit about there "usually" being a green lantern, that's fine too, since I took a quick look at the code and it seems color is determined by tile position, so theoretically there could be nothing but normal red lanterns on a rainbow level.

Then again, that could confuse people who are used to looking for colored lights.

Either way, thanks and goood job! margotbean (talk) 17:21, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Coal Loot Locations

I've found clusters of 6-8ish coal inside abandoned minecarts and the miner backpacks on the floor throughout all levels of the mine. It might also be possible to break open the wood-paneled coal 'doorways' I've found a couple but have not figured out if I can break into them.

If you see a level with minecart track, there is always an abandoned minecart in that level, and seems like about 50-50 if it has some coal inside. You can click on the minecarts or miner backpacks to get the coal to drop out onto the ground.

I don't think it's random chance if the minecart level has coal or not. On each Minecart level, you can only get the coal out once. If you try to come back to the same level and get the coal a second time, it will be empty. -Jecowa (talk) 09:33, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Bomb Exploit

As it says on the page, some players find they can use the exploit of blowing up a fence with a bomb to travel to the Skull Cavern without repairing the bus. Others say they cannot replicate this glitch. The original editor was playing v1.3 Beta multiplayer (v1.3.8 I believe). I have tested this using v1.2.33, v1.3.9, and v1.3.10 with no mods, and was able to replicate it while playing single player. My v1.3 games were using a farm with 2 extra cabins on it, but no one else playing at the time.

Anyone who can or cannot repeat this bug, please post the circumstances here! (Multiplayer or single player, which platform, etc.) Thanks! margotbean (talk) 00:38, 10 May 2018 (BST)

Food section change

I was thinking the useful food section could be changed into a collapsible table to conserve some space. Maybe even move it into the combat section. Thoughts? EthanPowers (talk) 00:34, 15 September 2018 (BST)

In a word, no. Food is food, not combat, and the more collapsable components we put on a page, the longer the page takes to load. margotbean (talk) 16:45, 15 September 2018 (BST)

Is it really possible to dig up artifacts like dinosaur egg in the mine?

According to what I saw in the code, tilling in the mine will result in game executing StardewValley.Locations.checkForBuriedItem(), but finding artifacts happens at StardewValley.GameLocation.digUpArtifactSpot().

As the code indicates, one can only find these items tilling in the mine:

Clay
Dwarf Scroll I
Lost Book
Rusty Spoon
Rusty Cog
Skeletal Tail
Dwarf Scroll IV
Dwarf Gadget
Gold Bar(Is this really possible?)
Dwarvish Helm
Dwarf Scroll II
Strange Doll(both)
Stone
Ores
Geodes
Cave Carrot

Has anyone ever dug up any artifacts besides items in the list? --Lyu (talk) 05:26, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

I can confirm I just dug up a gold bar on level 63 of the mines as I was testing out your question. Mixed seeds seem to be missing from your list; I dug up a ton of those in the last half hour. Unfortunately, no Dino Egg.

As a side note, I love that you're looking into the mining code, as it's some of the trickiest code in the game, imo. Weeding out the code that gives random items from breaking boxes/barrels and special monster drops that seem to vary by level and not by monster always gives me a tension headache.  :D margotbean (talk) 19:16, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Oh yes Mixed Seeds can be dug up, and the check is together with Lost Book. So if other artifacts are unable to dig up in the mine, is it necessary to correct the pages about artifacts?

I think I'm starting to come up with the code, and making mods is really an interesting work.

--Lyu (talk) 02:46, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm glad you're code-diving and modding! It is exciting work. To answer your question, yes, if we can definitively prove that it's not possible to find a dino egg by tilling in the mines and/or skull cavern, then the page needs to be changed. Of course, the goal is always to have an accurate wiki. The difficulty is in absolutely and definitely ruling out the possibility of some other piece of code executing and adding a dino egg (or some other artifact or item) to the possible items that can be dug up. Remember, the code was written by one developer with no code reviews. It twists and turns like the streets of San Francisco. margotbean (talk) 03:43, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

So I think it's better to mark these pages as doubtful so as not to mislead other people who read them.--Lyu (talk) 04:10, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

I haven't seen that definitive proof that I mentioned yet, so I think it's too early to take that step. Let's wait for more feedback, and keep on reading that code. margotbean (talk) 07:29, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Alright, I've looked over the code and debugged it in person. I'll say what I discovered.

When player uses Hoe on a tile, the game calls StardewValley.Tools.Hoe.DoFunction(). According to the attribute of tile, the function does different things:

1. If the tile is ArtifactSpot, the function goes into StardewValley.Object.performToolAction(), calls digUpArtifactSpot() which produces most artifacts.
2. If the tile is not ArtifactSpot, the function will check if it's a "Diggable" tile, if the tile is so then it calls checkForBuriedItem(), which cannot produce artifacts out of the list.

What happens when tilling in the mine is exactly the second case.

What's interesting is that when player digs "Diggable" tile outside the mine, it seems possible to dig up artifacts because of the virtual function StardewValley.GameLocation.checkForBuriedItem not override by StardewValley.MineShaft.checkForBuriedItem. This situation still needs to be proved.

It's not possible to dig up artifacts on "Diggable" tile outside mines, it seems that the developer didn't implement it.

--Lyu (talk) 10:02, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

If you have actually debugged the code while executing, then my hat is off to you. Truly, well done!

I looked over MineShaft::checkForBuriedItem, and verified your list (above). So, it seems we must remove "tilling in the mines/skull cavern" as a source from 4 artifacts: Ancient Drum, Bone Flute, Dino Egg, and Rare Disc. The page histories for those artifacts give no indication that tilling is a valid source for them -- the info was added in 2016, with no verification (other than percentages listed in index 6 of ObjectInformation.xnb).

I'm going to take the liberty of changing 5 pages (Artifacts, and the 4 individual pages), in all languages. If I've missed something, please post! Otherwise, sincere thanks to you!! margotbean (talk) 19:35, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Dig Percentages

I have added a table with the percentage chance of each item that can be dug up. I am on mobile, so I haven't linked other pages. I can show how I got these numbers if required. BlaDe (talk) 00:44, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Well, I wouldn't say it was required, but it would be appreciated by at least one person (me).

I'm glad you put this comment here, but I wish I had read it before digging into MineShaft.cs to verify your table! I'm going to put the code reference on the page, and beg you to remember to do it next time? Thanks very much, I really do (still) appreciate you putting your findings on the wiki! margotbean (talk) 01:11, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Actually, if you could point out the spot where certain items are available only at certain levels (the Dwarvish artifacts and gold bar), I'd very much appreciate that! Thanks again, margotbean (talk) 01:20, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

I would have added a code reference, but I am on mobile so have a hard time with any kind of formatting until I get to a non blocked computer.

The level specific stuff is determined by a switch(this.getMineArea(-1)) statement. There are two of them in MineShaft.cs::checkForBuriedItem. If you are in the skull caverns and the seed gets you into these statements, the default 330 (clay) will be found. BlaDe (talk) 01:38, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I see the switch/case statements now. Pretty obvious, now that I actually look at them. :D Thanks again, and feel free to add how you arrived at the percentages here! margotbean (talk) 18:07, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

There is too much information to post here, but have a look at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BdMKgytVSk50158d_jKT46lBMkR8EPHTa6bY50aFybc/edit?usp=sharing

I have put the odds of each branch in the code, keeping track of them as it drills down, with the final percentage in column LBlaDe (talk) 23:42, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Ladders and drop shafts

I will detail how ladders and drop shafts work here. I don't have the time right now to format it nicely, but I want to get the information down in case someone wants to do it before I get back to it.

Every enemy killed has a flat 15% chance of spawning a ladder, assuming the enemy was killed over a valid tile. This does not prevent ladders spawning from rocks.

Some levels are preloaded with a ladder (12, 52, 92, treasure floors in skull caverns). These ladders do not prevent ladders spawning from rocks.

After a level loads, there is a 95% chance that a ladder will try to spawn. A tile is chosen at random, and if it is eligible (no rocks/monster spawned, and it is not on dirt/miner patchs/tracks) then a ladder is placed. This will prevent ladders spawning from rocks

Every rock hit has a base chance of 2% of spawning a ladder. This is adjusted by daily luck/5 (+/-10% / 5 = +/- 2%) and food buffs (every point of buff/100 i.e. each point of food buff adds 1%). The inverse of the number of rocks remaining after the rock is hit is added (e.g 5 rocks remaining - 1/5 = 0.2 = 20%, 100 rocks remaining = 1/100 = 0.01 = 1%). If no enemies remain then 4% is added. If this chance hits, then a ladder will spawn, and prevent further ladders spawning from rocks. If in the skull caverns there is a 20% chance that a shaft will spawn instead, and this does not prevent further ladders/shafts spawning from rocks. BlaDe (talk) 12:02, 11 April 2019 (BST)

Thank you for taking your time with this one! There's no rush, let's get it polished before we add it to the main page. You never know when a page is going to be copied to another language, even if it's in a broken or incorrect state!

So far, I've understood what you wrote, so that's good. I would say that it's important to define "valid tile" the first time the term is used in the section, rather than forcing the reader to continue reading for the exact definition. margotbean (talk) 19:17, 11 April 2019 (BST)

I think there's a bit of a terminology problem that should be solved. I assume that "valid tile" is never seen in-game. If I were to define "valid", I'd say its natural meaning would be any place the player can walk: any unobstructed tile, or any tile whose obstruction can be removed. It would not include rock faces, areas behind unremovable obstructions (like fences), or water tiles.

In this context, I think what we want is another term, "eligible tile": free of monsters, spawned rocks or nodes, forage items, baskets, or crates, not on dirt or tracks, etc. When a rock is removed, its tile(s) become eligible, and a spawn may occur. To me, this terminology makes descriptions clearer. Butterbur (talk) 06:19, 12 April 2019 (BST)

I would say the last thing we need is a 1-paragraph definition of valid/eligible tile. "Unobstructed" might be better, I don't know, but the main point of the information is the spawning %s. margotbean (talk) 17:58, 12 April 2019 (BST)

"Unobstructed" seems fine to me. I just don't like "valid". It needs something more intuitive - better for short definitions too. Butterbur (talk) 04:38, 13 April 2019 (BST)

I am using my main page as the place for my editing. I have three sections that I am working on, that I think are in a good enough state to add to the main page. I will leave them for a day or two, then add them BlaDe (talk) 03:31, 29 April 2019 (BST)

Everything looks really good! When added to the page, I would call the "Barrels" section "Crates & Barrels" or "Crates and Barrels", and change "skull caverns" to "Skull Cavern". Minor tweaks.

I can imagine that I will want to transclude the "Special Items" table onto the relevant monsters' pages, but offhand I don't know which monsters can drop them. Are any excluded, or can any monster drop them when killed? What about mummies? (No, I don't have time at all to check the code, so sorry!) Something to think about for future reference. There's quite an extensive section about colored Slimes' drops; I'm wondering if the special item drop is a completely separate process.

The other task will be to check each item's individual page and make sure it says that it can be found in crates/barrels or as a monster drop (and at which levels). That'll be on my "to do" list, if you don't get to it first (hint hint).  :D

I also think all three sections could be transcluded onto the Skull Cavern page, or at least linked to. Hm... more food for thought.

Thanks so much for doing this, and for allowing a preview before adding it to the page!! margotbean (talk) 19:15, 29 April 2019 (BST)

No worries. For special items from enemies, all monsters carrying special items and crates and barrels that drop special items make a call to the same method, MineShaft::getSpecialItemForThisMineLevel.

Having a quick look at monsters holding special items, there are two rolls for a tile to spawn a monster. The first roll any monster has a 0.175% chance of holding one, the second roll any monster has a 1% chance (MineShaft::populateLevel). I will need to look into this some more another timeBlaDe (talk) 02:24, 30 April 2019 (BST)

Levels 31 - 39: ‘Abundant Copper Ore’

Is there anything in the code to support an increased spawn rate on these levels? Maybe i’m unlucky, but i’m not feeling the ‘abundance’ in my hunt for 900 Copper Ore (sudden need for a lot more Kegs) and am wondering if there’s actually anything to prove this.

Will ask the same for Iron Ore at Levels 41 - 49, in the name of fairness, but i’d quite happily believe the ‘abundant’ statement there. MM (Communications) ^(Crops) 23:00, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Ditto for copper. Not feeling the great abundance of iron in the 40s either. Game after game. Just a feeling though. No concrete measurements. Butterbur (talk) 06:07, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Ehrm... I didn't write it so I can't defend it. I think the point was that you can find mainly a specific type of ore on those levels, never gold ore above level 80, and rarely copper ore below level 80, mostly iron ore on the frozen levels, etc. I have no problem with changing the wording, since "abundant" is a matter of RNG. Perhaps "Mainly copper ore" and "Mainly iron ore" would be better? margotbean (talk) 16:25, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. But I do find the 50s to have truly abundant sprites, which are very noticeably less in subsequent levels, so I am in doubt about the author intention. "Abundant" and "mainly are also personal interpretations (opinions), whereas "higher amounts" and such terms require some kind of statistical justification. Furthermore, the 70s do seem to me to be generally iron, but once in a while contain copper, and when they do it seems to come in piles of 5 or 6 nodes (a nice abundance imo). I don't know what to write without just expressing my viewpoint (which is of dubious use). And I don't necessarily want to remove something useful that the author knew about, even if expressed in a nebulous and suspect way, because someone may find a better way to express it if only it is thought to exist, maybe, perhaps, sort of... Lacking a code segment or statistical summary, I throw up my hands. I'm just not motivated enough to investigate it that far. To me, mining results are what they are, and that's what they'll be, so play on. Butterbur (talk) 23:02, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Alright i’ve taken a shot at fixing this up, ‘Abundant’ statements have been wiped out, and i’ve mirrored what Floor 81 - 89 was doing, onto Floor 1 - 9 And Floor 41 - 49. ‘Gold Ore starts to appear here’, but with Iron Ore and Copper Ore. My statement about CO starting at Floor 2 might be wrong, change it if it is, but I’ve never seen the ore on the first floor.
I fixed up a little other non-symmetry while handling the edit, too. Spiral floors are on the 19th floor of every ore pattern (19, 59, 99) And seeing as it was mentioned on Floor 99, why not add it to the others?
Haven’t messed with Wikitables in years, takes me back some... MM (Communications) ^(Crops) 02:32, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Ah, this has the ring of experience too! I think you've got it. Nicely done, and thanks. Butterbur (talk) 07:55, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

"Floor", "Level", Oh, My!

The word "level" is ambiguous with Skill levels. Specifically, Mining level 6 and The Mines level 6 are confusing. So as far as I know, "floor" is the canonical term for the floors in The Mines (and the Skull Cavern). I see that some effort has been made to use the word "floor", but it's all over the place here. Would there be broad support for my making this article consistently use the word "floor"? Tom Haws (talk) 20:05, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Ha ha, Tom Haws, you have my full support to make the entire wiki read "Mine Floor" and "Mining Level" if you wish.  :D If you speak any other language, you have my encouragement to change those languages' wikis as well!  ;) margotbean (talk) 21:20, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. :-) Tom Haws (talk) 01:12, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

"This action has been automatically identified as harmful: , and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: Adding external images/links" I checked a diff, and there are no links modified in my edits. I guess the simplest thing would be to temporarily make me an admin, but that's not safe. I have the edits on my Dropbox, but I can't link them here due to the same rule. Tom Haws (talk) 01:41, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

I have an idea. I can edit the article and save without the existing External Link. I can put that link in my Edit Summary so you can copy it back into the article if that's okay. Tom Haws (talk) 03:54, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Edit the sections other than "External Links" and you shouldn't run into that problem. After a few edits, you will likely be past the spam filter that prevents new users from editing external links. margotbean (talk) 06:06, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Done except for the offending section. I will wait a while on that one for the software to get used to my face. :-) Tom Haws (talk) 00:17, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Recovery Price of Stacks

Margot, are you sure your last edit is right? I was able to recover a stack of 12 Bombs recently. Marlon's listed price was 600g, the normal cost of one Bomb. Either my memory is playing a trick on me, or I got the whole stack of 12 for 600g. Btw, I don't think there is any option on recovering partial stacks; it's all or nothing. Butterbur (talk) 00:13, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Oh, I see! The normal purchase price for one Bomb is 600g. The normal sell price is 50g. So in recovery, you're buying back at the sell price, which in this case is one twelfth of the purchase price, so the cost of 12 recovered is the same as that of one purchased. This is not entirely intuitive, and perhaps should be highlighted somehow. Butterbur (talk) 00:22, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

How Infested Floors & Dungeon Floors go

To confirm it, I prepared 2 groups of 999 Staircases in v1.4.5. I spent more than one week in the Mine and this is the result: (to easily see how,I make it displaced)

*: common Infested Floors; +: Dungeon Floors; #: Infested Dungeon Floors

W19						23#			61#	64+	66*			99+	102#
W20						28#			66+		68*	101*		104+	107#
W21			8*			33+			71+			103*	107*	109+	112+
W22				6*		38+			76+				109*	114+	117+
W23		2+	12*			43+		78+						119#
W24		7#	14*		47*	48#		83+	86#
W25	9+	12+	16*		49*	53*	86*	88+	91+
W26	14+	17+	18*	22*	51*		88*	93+	96+
W27	19#	22+		24*		57*		98#	101+
W28	24#	27+		26*	92*		96*	103#	106+

The result shows that the common Infested Floors are likely to go down 2 floors per day untill they meet elevator floors instead of going up 1 floor per day. And Dungeon Floors(include Infested Dungeon Floors) are likely to go down 5 floors per day. :) Reiki (talk) 07:45, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Crate and Barrel Chances

There appears to be a mistake in the some of the item chances that are currently shown under The Mines#Crates and Barrels. A factor of 0.4 appears to have been omitted from the calculations for the gem / geode / special item chances.

The mistake seems to be that the line else if (r.NextDouble()<0.4) was overlooked (or rather was treated as a simple else). The upshot is that chance of reaching the switch (r.Next(5)) statement should be 0.8*0.35*0.4; the chance for each item within the switch should be 0.8*0.35*0.4/5, or 2.2%. But the current values listed for those items are 5.6%, which is equivalent to 0.8*0.35/5. The chances for 'nothing' needs to be increased by a corresponding amount.

Besides the evidence from the code, this also matches my in-game experience better: more than one-quarter of containers are empty, and gems/special items are less common than 5%. Nebulous Maestress (talk) 20:12, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

You are correct. I believe this was one of my first things i looked at when i got access to the game code and was familiarising myself with C#. Fortunately I kept my working. I have updated it with the new info and my numbers match up with the edits you have made: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1St3_rHyFqXuAKcm8f1CNoGPveEFfxbFxMRFpj43cThk/edit?usp=drivesdk BlaDe (talk) 23:04, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I just noticed something. In the switch statement for 122 and 124, the check is if r.NextDouble() >= 4.0. This will never be true, and therefore the crates in 80+ and skull caverns currently have a greater chance of holding items. I will leave this comment to let this be double checked, but I plan to make a change to the form about this time tomorrow. BlaDe (talk) 03:44, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Shrine of Challenge

About the last edit : The Mines, Skull Cavern, and Quarry Mine enemies between normal levels and "dangerous" levels",
The Shrine of Challenge (unfortunately) doesn't seems to toggle the Skull Cavern to dangerous mode for me. I didn't tested the quarry tho.
--Toleda (talk) 08:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

note on remixed rewards

The method to remix rewards uses the player ID and the floor to seed the rng: (int)(Game1.uniqueIDForThisGame * 512) + floor

I haven't exhaustively searched through all seeds (only a couple dozen million in different ranges), but my findings are that this initialization leads to an strong interdependence between floors. For example, a Femur on floor 10 will always mean a Bone Sword on floor 90 and no Elf Blade on floor 20. For anyone looking to fill their weapon collection this means that you can't really get much out of remixing rewards. At most you will be able to get one or two "new" weapons in exchange for some "old" weapons. Tyndel (talk) 08:39, 4 January 2021 (UTC)